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How Nature Can Make You Healthier, Wealthier and Wiser – with Eric Rogell

Today’s episode with Eric Rogell – the Founder of the Warriors, Lovers, Kings, and Heroes podcast. Eric also runs Boldmen Adventures to help professional men “rewild” themselves.

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Tobin Slaven 0:00

This is Book of Experts TV. I'm your host Tobin Slaven. I'm excited to be back and I'm excited to share today's guest. One thing that's unique and it's it feels even more so unique these days is our guest today is actually someone I've had a chance to meet with in real life. Yeah, the world is opening back up. I'm hearing stories from lots of different friends that went to a restaurant they went to a concert Yes, it's still a little bit different, not quite the way that it was probably never will be. But we're we've been making connections making friendships online and today's guest we're actually going to talk about making a different kind of connection. So I'm going to bring him on now just so I can I want to see his face here. This is uh, Eric Rogell, my new friend here in Fort Lauderdale in Florida, which is kind of fun. Because we're new in the area, we don't know a lot of folks. But I had a chance to meet Eric and Eric, I think you know, everybody here in Fort Lauderdale. So that's been fun for us. And today, we're talking about how nature can make you healthier, wealthier, and wiser as well. And I'm excited to dig into this because I know you got a big trip coming up with some of you guys. Let's talk about what you've been doing with them. Why they come to you. And what happens when you get out in these amazing locations like Glacier National Zion, where else have you Iceland? I know you've got a trip coming up Iceland mazing location?

Eric Rogell 1:19

Yeah, Zimbabwe, we've got gonna be coming up next year, once the world is opening. It's just it's amazing the amount of travel that people want to do and people are jumping on board on this, which makes me really, really happy. So who said and I appreciate you bringing me on today. And then like you said it was great meeting you actually person was,

Tobin Slaven 1:38

it's unusual for me these I have friends all over the world in the last year or two the meeting really cool people. And I don't know when I'll get a chance to meet them in person. But you and I actually, we did that. And that that felt pretty darn good. So

Eric Rogell 1:52

yeah. And we got to sit outside and eat and relax. We were on the water. It was beautiful. So yeah, it goes right into what we're going to talk about a little bit today. So I'm excited to talk about it.

Tobin Slaven 2:03

How did you come to do this work? Because you have you have this background? You've been in the even in restaurants, high end restaurants, you've been in journalism, you've done all these things in your lifetime. But you're on a new adventure. How did that? I think let's start there. And then you can take us on the trip with you.

Eric Rogell 2:21

Yeah, so it's, you know, I've been on I guess you could call it a journey, right, for lack of a better word. And it's one that we all kind of use a personal journey or hero's journey. You know, Joseph Campbell was great in that and kind of saying that we are all living our own hero's journey. So for me, it was, you know, I took kind of a winding road towards where I am now. Like you said, I was in the restaurant business, I was a designer, I was a creative director, I work for magazines as a creative director. And during that I ended up as a journalist and I started one of the things that I covered was all things of interest to men. So it was a lot of gearing gadget reviews, a lot of food. And oh, this is by the way, Sophia, she want to say hi everybody.

Tobin Slaven 3:04

I told Eric that his parents, he will win the internet today. This is how this works with animals that show up on

Eric Rogell 3:12

on dogs sitting for the next few days. And she's gonna be right here on my lap. So, but anyway, so did that. And then working as a creative director for magazines, I ended up becoming a journalist, right, like I said, and so gear and gadgets, cars, food and drink because I had the restaurant background. And then one of the things that I did was adventure travel. And the really cool thing about adventure travel was I really took to it, I really enjoyed it. And I did that for many many years and I wrote for you know, Discovery Channel for discovery, comm several other big publications, Men's Fitness, traveling around the world, and hiking and mountain biking and what you know, stuff on the water and kayaking, climbing all these great things, and I come back and my buddies would go, man, I really wish I could do that. I wish I could go on those. And that kind of got filed back here. continue my journey, you know, went into the corporate world, work for a financial publishing company for a long time realized that wasn't really my passion, my purpose. I've been doing some really, really fantastic deep inner work for almost a decade now. Great work called self discovery. And for me, it really helped me grow and it was in using meditation. It was using intention, it was using all of these great things in life was changing for me for the better. And it became kind of a personal mission of mine that I wanted to do something that was more purpose driven. And when I really put my attention on it, I love working with men. There are a lot of men that are out there that are really really good men that are frustrated, confused. They don't really know how to express themselves as men. Step up is man you know all these things that we hear all the time and I thought you To put some stuff together for this. So with my mentor who founded the work that I do, and myself, we put together a program. Now I have a podcast as well called warriors, lovers, kings and heroes. And this is where men tell the story of how they became the men they are today. So I interview you know, lots of successful men on their athletes, celebrities, musicians, entrepreneurs, military veterans, a lot of really great men. And the warrior lover King hero is some of the archetypes that we go through on our journey. So we put this training together, and I was doing it while we were in the midst of this pandemic, we were doing it online. And men really seem to love it, we were building a brotherhood, and we're getting back to where men really came into each other's lives, to support to guide to mentor to kind of be there for each other, and also learn how to grow be a stronger leader, a better father, a better husband, these kind of things, and they loved it. And I was feeling intuitively that once the world opened back up, doing these live together outside in nature, would really have an incredible impact. And so we're doing that now. And that's where you know that my company, Goldman adventures comes in. And like you said, we've got some trips that are coming on, we have one Glacier National Park, coming in two weeks, in the middle of June, it's going to be phenomenal. And one of the things that I found while researching this, and doing this is, you know, what we kind of titled today's episode was nature will make you healthier, wealthier and wiser. And there's just some amazing, amazing things that we can and benefits that we can experience, just from going outside. And I think this is so important right now, considering that we you know, as a global community have been locked up in our homes for the last, you know, more than a year. So I think it is time to get out and kind of experience some of these benefits.

Tobin Slaven 7:03

Can you break down two words? I think I know what they mean, but I want to hear what you see in them. Because I know these two terms are going to be important to you in the work that you do. Rewild Yeah. And and also, over civil, civilized. Sure. Yeah. So

Eric Rogell 7:21

those are, those are big words for me. So rewild is a term that I heard from actually one of the partners that I'm working with on putting these trips together, you know, I'm using some really, really experienced people to put some of these trips together. And they've been telling me about some of the things they've been experiencing. And one of the groups is a member of the they call the transformational travel Council, which is awesome. And they there, it's like travel with purpose. It's you want to go and travel and experience, but you want to have an experience as well, personal experience. And they were telling me about this, you know, there is a term rewild. And it can be used in a couple of ways. One is, like reforesting, like rewilding the planet, like getting more wild space out there. And another and they're doing this, I believe it's in Denmark. So if I'm wrong, I apologize. But I want to say it was in Denmark. There's a group out there going rewilding, which is getting people back to nature, getting back to their natural self. And now, my mentor and one that I work with, we've been talking about this, about getting back to your natural man, your wild man, which is if you've read the book, phenomenal book I highly recommend called iron john, by Robert Bly. He talks about the wild man and getting back to the wild man and feeling more natural, so that rewilding is, you know, it's one of the things that we as humans really need to reconnect with our wild side, our natural side, if you want to call it that. And you know, Tobin, we've lived as humans, we've lived in nature for 99% of the time we've been on this planet. It's really only in the last 100 120 years that we've been spending majority of our time indoors, offices and in our cars, and then going home and then back in our cars, and then back to the office. So we we really have lost that. And, you know, there's a great quote by john your, you know, famous naturalist and he said, 1000s of tired nerve shaking over civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home, that wildness is a necessity. So to me, that's what the rewilding is, it's getting back to that and then over civilize, I think kind of speaks to that where we are in our offices all day. We've been on zoom calls, non stop for a year, where we're not connected to nature, we're not connected to each other as humans. We're really kind of isolating ourselves a little bit more and so over civilized is kind of that denial of our wild It's it's that Oh, no, no, no, that's not right, I'm going to be civilized and sit in my office all day, or we're going to put kids in school for eight hours a day, which I know speaks to your heart very dearly, but getting kids out of the classroom and out into the world. So that's really, for me what those two words mean, and you know, over civilization, in my mind is a dangerous thing. You know, we've seen throughout history, when when empires become overly civilized, they fall, there's a real benefit to us being tapped into that nature, that natural side of ourselves.

Tobin Slaven 10:32

I think one of the things that really interests me is this concept. So for you brought up children, and in this, there is a trend to push out there to get away from the screens, get out in nature, play more, and how important that is to who we become as individuals. And I think one of the concepts that I really have come to, to appreciate and grasp is the same stuff that works for a little person and a little body is equally true for us as adults, and in men are, you know, in the corner office, or in the boardroom, or in a cubicle, facing with those same screens, the same things that we're talking about is not the best thing for our sons and daughters. Right. And, and they, and we, as men were probably more exposed to it than anyone. And so I think this idea of take carrying this through in hitting reset, in a way to get back to get out into nature, in a way and with other men for this deeper to share a little bit more, if you would, Eric, about that deeper experience. What do you do? What are you guys doing when you're getting out in these amazing locations?

Eric Rogell 11:41

Yeah, you know, that's a great question. And and I appreciate it. And one of the things that we do, and I look at this, and I tell man, this is about Mind, Body spirit, right? I mean, you we hear that all the time, Mind, Body spirit, but what really does it mean? So for one thing, it is that mental, say, relax, reset, like you just said, it's a mental reset. I mean, we've been so stressed out, there's been a lot of anxiety around the world, not just in health, but in politics, and in social concerns, all these things going on, and we're all kind of have that anxious feel. And a lot of people have what we call monkey mind, it's just racing all the time, right? It's just non stop thoughts, anxiety, nature actually has a way of when we connect to it, it, it unlocks that frees that we become way more relaxed in nature. And there's been study after study after study and not only health journals, but in psychological journals about what nature does for us there. So, you know, it's, um, there is a, there's two different types of attention. Apparently, there's active and passive. Active is the kind of thing like when you're in an office, or you're in front of a screen, and you have to actively participate in your attention, traffic, crowded cities, those kind of things. When you're in nature, there's a lot going on, there's trees, there's lakes, there's rivers, there's mountains, there's wildlife, there's all these things going on, but it's a passive attention. We can look and enjoy and appreciate and absorb and not have to actively think and so it actually slows us down. They have a in apparently, in Germany and Japan, they've been doing this for years. It's like a reset. They send people out into nature. In Japan, it's called and I have the name here. shinrin Yoku, and it literally means forest bathing, right. So they go out into the forest and it washes everything away. So that's one of the things that we do when we're out there. So it's about resetting mentally, we can get rid of, you know, fears, doubts, self doubt, anxiety, those things, get the men out there in nature feeling more comfortable. So that's the mind part. The body part is, you know, let's push you a little bit. We're going to hike we're going to mountain bike we're going to climb we're going to, you know, kayak and canoe, we might even just play, you know, horseshoes or cornhole or throw a football or just something active. Because so many of us and again in trouble we're specifically talking about men because that's who I take on the trips, but this goes for women as well. We're, you know, we got into this comfort zone, like where it's okay, we sit at our desks all day. We sit, you know, in the car, we sit on the couch at home, we might take a class or do the treadmill or something, but we're not out in nature being active. And that really resets us they're pushing out of the comfort zone during a grueling hike or you're out in nature and appreciating really, really helps. That's the body part. And, you know, we can go into this a little more later but mean there's study after study after study on what nature does to our health. How pas It really impacts our health. I mean, one study that kind of blew me away was in a hospital, they found that patients that had a window that looked out over trees, recovered four times faster than patients who had windows that looked out over brick walls or city building. Just to me, just by looking at the window,

Tobin Slaven 15:18

there, we're not even not even getting in nature, just

Eric Rogell 15:22

aiming there and doing it, we can do this ourselves. In our office, I used to do this, intuitively, when I was working in an office, so I had a problem or something was, you know, I needed to work something out, I would actually go stand by a window, just my just would get up and go, it just felt natural. So that's the body part. And then spirit wise, you know, we're going to do some work on there's some meditations that I do out in nature that are phenomenal, though, I actually did with the guys, you know, virtually on zoom calls, and then had them on their own go out and do them. And the results were absolutely incredible. So there's that we get into the meditations, slowing the mind down being out in nature, doing these walking, eyes, open meditations, where you're part of nature. And then again, like we talked about building this brotherhood of men, because, you know, studies have shown that a majority of men say they don't have one good friend that they can turn to, in a time of need to get advice to, you know, be vulnerable with to tell their problems to to look for, for advice, and that's a dangerous thing. So what we do here is, we show men how to be open, honest, raw, being integrity, be vulnerable the right way, and do this with other men who are like minded. And that way you build a brotherhood for life. And we've seen this, I mean, I've got guys that are texting each other constantly, you know, turning to each other, when they have something, you know, I can't tell you enough how the impact that has on men's lives. So those are the really the three big areas. So this is not just your typical trip Tobin, where you're going out and like, hey, let's get a bunch of guys and go out to the mountains and camp out and cook out. And we do that, you know, we cook out together and we sit around a fire at night and tell stories and talk and get real. When you can do that, as a group experienced nature, push yourself out of your comfort zone, learn some really good skills and strategies for being a better leader, a better father, a better husband, better man in general, and then build that brotherhood with other men, and you're feeding all those parts of yourself. And it really just has a tremendous impact.

Tobin Slaven 17:28

I love that you're changing the environment around you the atmosphere around you by getting out in nature, I think that's one half the coin. The other thing that I've come to appreciate about you, Eric is so have you. You had a bunch of folks on your podcast that have guested with us as well, Rusty gyaru, for example, one one that comes to mind. So I am impressed and amazed with your ability to have that raw integrity, conversation based conversation. So I can imagine what this went when you can escape into this rewilding atmosphere away from everybody else with a small group of men that that can have permission and opportunity to be vulnerable with one another hearing the way you know, I've known rusty for a while that think the world of him as well, how raw and honest he was on your podcast to really open up about his experience. And you could see the growth for him of being able to share that in that format. I thought I thought you did a masterful job, and honestly all credit to rusty as well for being willing to go there in the conversation. And I know that's part of what you do and your podcast. I imagine you are carrying that over into the bold men adventures as well.

Eric Rogell 18:43

Yeah, absolutely. And I really appreciate you saying that. Thank you so much. Tobin, you know, it's it's something that I've heard from a lot of the men that have been on the show that they've never told these stories to anyone before, they've never felt that they could actually tell the story they telling they kept inside they felt it made them you know, I get them to talk about the challenges, the failures, they know the juicy stuff to open that happens to us in our lives. And you know, a lot of them keep that inside because they feel like it makes them look weak, or like they're a failure. And that is not the case in any way. And so there's two real things for that to do that anyone can use guys in the you know, those of you that are listening, this is really, the the secret to it, you know, getting those conversations is it really is paying attention. So attention is is the most important thing that we have in our lives. Paying attention is critical to everything that we do. And part of getting out on these trips in the bohlmann Adventures trips and getting out into nature. And the meditation that I show people we can do that later in the show, and I can give them a very simplified version of it. But getting out in nature, fully, fully paying attention to who you're speaking to, fully, fully, fully paying attention when you're out in nature. It's it's a rarity. It's a rarity right now and so when I'm interviewing Someone my attention is fully on them. And then the second secret just giving them the space to be raw and real, and letting them know it's okay to tell the story. But there's no judgment here. There's no ha, oh, man, I can't believe you did that. What an idiot. There's none of that. It's Hey, man, that happened. I had something like that happened to me too. And like, what did you learn from it? Here's what I learned. That's what really moves everybody forward. And so I think, you know, giving the attention holding the space, which another way might be saying, you know, intentional permission to be open and raw. If you do this in your, in your personal life, and in your business life, you're gonna see magic happen. magic happen, because I've had men on the show, you know, grown men, tough men. get emotional choke up, you know, start to tear up when they're telling you stories, and then we'll stop recording. And they'll say, Man, I can't believe I told you that story. I, I just feel so much better that I've actually told someone and told it. And yeah, doing that, and what we call being, you know, in my work, we have the sacred seven core values. I think I've mentioned these to you, when we met Tobin, and that's courage, honesty, integrity, commitment, duty, honor and love. When you come from those, it's an amazing thing, especially the first three. So courage, having the courage to be honest, get to the second one, being brutally honest with yourself. When you can do that, that leads to integrity, and you can live as a man of integrity, person of integrity, meaning you are the same in public as you are in private. So you're not holding anything, and there's no secrets, there's no, you know, feeling of shame, or I can't tell anyone that the energy that it takes toven to hold that stuff in and carry all of that, and then have that in your mind all the time, is crushing. And when when you can let that out. Finally, it's, it's amazing. And it frees up more attention for you to do amazing things in your life. And so it is one of the things that we do on these trips, and in the work is show men how to do that how to pay attention really focused attention on themselves on the work you're doing and on the people you're having conversations with.

Tobin Slaven 22:13

Well, I'm on board, let's explore this to get together, you said you're you can walk us through or give us a brief taste of what what this might something that people can walk away and do for themselves. to experience a taste of this, I'm excited to join you on this.

Eric Rogell 22:28

Yeah, and guys feel this when you're doing this, because I want you to, you know, I can walk you through it. But I want you to understand that the experience of it and what the benefits of this are, and this is just, you know, you can go out into nature for Urban Studies, 2025 minutes, and really see these, you know, benefits just from being outside. And I said, you know, healthy, wealthy wise. So what does that mean? I mean, it's, you know, healthier, we talked about the body, what it's going to do to your body to reset the mind. You know, inner and outer your attention, your focus, getting rid of self doubt, all of those kind of things. And then wealthier, of course, you know, imagine if you and your team that are working for you have permission to go outside 1520 minutes, you know, every once in a while, kind of refocus, reset, rewild, get tap back in, it helps with creativity, studies have shown creativity, problem solving, it creates a sense of awe and wonder which really opens yourself up to, you know, anything that you're doing projects that you're working on, and then that can go right to bottom line productivity. In your business people are more motivated, they're happier. So this is a very simple exercise you can do and you'll benefit all of those ways. Now. There's a bit of a meditation that goes before it, which I recommend, I'm not going to walk through that, because that takes a little bit, you know, 10 minutes. And it's something that I like to be face to face with people when we do I'm going to do a video of it which Tobin, I'll let you make available to your guests, your your listeners, that would be great. Yeah, I will definitely do that when it when it's up and ready. But what we're gonna do right now to make it real quick is this. So just imagine is put your attention on this for a second?

Tobin Slaven 24:09

Before before you jump in, I want to mention one thing for our audience out there. So I just want to remind you guys because I know you, I know our community. In fact, I heard a couple of you mumbling out there. And I want to remind you that how you do one thing, how you show up is how you do everything. So this is for you. Like whether you choose to actually do this and take the time to do this for yourself is your choice. But just pay attention that if you're if you're sort of half going through the motions and you're curious about it, you're not going to get the full effect of what Eric's going to share with us. So you owe it to yourself in You deserve it. So with that said, Take us on I love that when I

Eric Rogell 24:47

could not agree with that more. I mean, I can't just say amen loud enough to that. That is beautiful. So yeah, and guys understand. You'll get the benefits just going outside. But if you go outside and you bring your phone with you your iPad or you put headphones on, you're missing out on a vast majority of what you could be doing. So here's what I would have you do. So just get outside. And if you're in a city, try to find a green space. You know, it's it's it's way more relaxing to the mind than traffic and everything else. So find a green space. If you cannot get out of your office easily. A window is good, but I prefer you be out in it because there is a vibration there is a sense of oneness with nature, if you know we're not getting too woowoo here, but it really is that feeling. So get outside, take a few deep breaths, just decompress, no phone, no headphones, no music, no distraction. And just take a deep breath, what's your attention is going to be on is imagine that you're a tiger. And imagine a tiger that's out in the jungle, in its natural habitat and its stocking. What is a tiger like when it's stocking now and I wrote an article about this recently and I said you know Tigers not worried about a report that's due on Monday a tiger is not worried that it's you know, it's whiskers are crooked or not a tiger is fully attention out on what it's doing. So when I say attention out versus attention in in your head, attention out is we want to be that's what gets us in this frame of mind that I'm talking about in the zone really is kind of what we would call it. So you're a tiger, you're stalking. So there are three main senses that I want you to use. One is your sight. So when you're out there, you're looking intently, and don't just look and go, Oh, there's a tree. There's a bush, there's a flower, there's a squirrel, right? Those kinds of things. I want you to really look Do you see movement? light and shadow? If you hear a bird, can you find it in a tree? Right? If you hear rustling in a bush look, really and see what is that? Can you see insects crawling on blades of grass really focus your sight look like you've never looked at things before. Really focusing colors, shapes, or good clouds in the sky, all those things. So site you're going to use and then really use your sense of hearing sounds. So I want you to look keep looking, but also listening. Because a tiger will do this while spelunking and wants to see if it hears something in the distance. So if you're in a green space, listen to see if you can hear traffic or people talking. Or the sound of your own breathing, or rustling in trees, birds singing dogs barking really, really intently focused on this. And this is one of the reasons I love this Tobin is because it's not a quiet silence, eyes closed meditation, its eyes open, functioning meditation, experiencing meditation. So that's sight and sound. And then we're going to add touch. So I want you to really feel like the wind in the air on your skin, the clothes, on your back, your feet, the weight of your feet on the ground, if you're sitting, the weight of your body in the chair. And you can also use touch, you can touch the side of a tree, the bark of a tree, feel the blades of grass, the petals on a flower. Really intently focus on those three things and you can add smell. If you like when you're out there, can you smell a hotdog cart down the street or a restaurant that happens to be open or fresh cut grass or flowers that are nearby? The idea is to be as intently focused on sight, sound, touch, smell. You can add taste if you're doing this at home and you're eating because how often do we have a cup of coffee or lunch and we really focus on what the food tastes like. What you'll find is after about 10 minutes of doing this, it's an easy meditation for most people to do. Just being a tiger stocking out in nature, the you'll find a sense of relaxation, the thoughts in your mind will stop racing. And if they come back up, just focus back out. Look back at the trees look back at the grass, feel the air on your skin, feel the weight of your feet in your shoes. You know, you can rub your hands together and feel that or the plants or tree bark. Really experience all of your senses out there in nature. Because Tobin, our senses are our transportation vehicle out of our head, and then back out. And the more you do this, it's like a muscle The more you get outside and tigerstar and really experience all of your senses, the stronger you're going to get at it and the quicker you're going to be able to stop the racing thoughts and put your attention out. And then you can go back into work and sit down and be focused and calm and have connected. So how does that feel just even Just kind of talking you through that.

Tobin Slaven 30:02

Yeah, so what I like best about this, that this Tiger stock form of meditation is the extreme focus. I find, you know, the traditional sitting meditations to be really challenging, honestly, you know, I can focus on a sound reframe or, you know, one, like, hold my focus there. But walking meditations active, that's what this. So I'm excited to do this today. And I'm going to do this today,

Eric Rogell 30:30

really well, I want you to let me know how it goes for you. Because I'll tell you some of the things that I found some of the people that I've done this with, and I do this with a lot of, you know, high powered executives, you know, people that have really stressful jobs, tons of responsibility, those kind of things. And the things that I get, one thing that most most of them tell me is I never knew colors were that bright of colors always been this bright, you know, had things always smelled like that or felt this way. And I, I call it removing the veil. Because having our minds raised or worried about what's on our phone, or having headphones on, we're walking outside or walking the dog or, you know, even with our kids or checking our phone regularly, it's like a veil that dulls everything else. Once we intently focus on that, you'll experience your sense of sharpening. So that's another benefit. I had one guy that told me, he said, Eric, you know, I lived next door to my neighbor for seven years, and I never noticed they have a red door on their porch. Like I literally never saw the red door to ask them if they painted it. And they said, No, it's always been that way. So he's like, literally walking next door. I never even saw the red door on the porch. And we do we blind ourselves to these things. So a lot of these experience brighter colors, noticing more thing, being more in tune with the nature being more centered within yourself, but then also experience being a part of nature. And that's why I do these on these trips is because we are a part of nature. It's about getting back to that. So absolutely. I'm really looking forward brother for you telling me what you got out of this after you do it. And you don't have to do it for long. You could do it for 10-15 minutes, and really get a lot out of it. So that would be something that you guys can do. As soon as you stop listening to this, this show, just jump outside for a few minutes and go do it.

Tobin Slaven 32:19

Well, this, I'm glad you brought this to the table. Eric, as we wrap up here, mate, let's make sure that we hit the if someone wants to enter your world, either they're interested in bold man, bold men adventures, they want to know more about the podcast, what's the best way for them to

Eric Rogell 32:35

stay in touch with you? Um, well, best way go to bold men adventures.com, b, o, l, d and e and for adventures, oral tocom. And you can sign up there and you'll get a you know, a notification from me you get emails from me on, on those kinds. When we're having new trips, when we have discounts, giveaways, specials, all the upcoming stuff that's going on, it's a great way to do that. The podcast actually an easy way to find us as I'm part of the Evergreen Podcast Network. So you can go to evergreen podcast calm and you'll find it. It's Eric rogel talks with warriors, lovers, kings and heroes. You'll see that on there. And then you know Tobin, one of the great things I like to do is tell people connect with me on LinkedIn. I'm easy to find. That's how you and I connect. You know, it's it's for me, it's a it's a professional form of social media where, you know, people who are professional and executives and really are purpose driven, motivated, get on there chat with me, I'll have a conversation with you. And if anyone wants to hear that you know more about the tiger stocking and then a little bit more about how you can do that. more effectively. Just Just connect with me and send me a message. I'll take you through it.

Tobin Slaven 33:49

Folks, we've we've covered everything from rewilding yourself to over civilization to stocking as a tiger in all in the name of how nature can help you feel healthier, wealthier, and wiser as well. Eric, I so appreciate you taking the time to come and join us and bring some experiences to the table as well.

Eric Rogell 34:10

Sure, absolutely. My pleasure and my honor to do it. I love what you guys are doing here and really my honor to be part of it.

Tobin Slaven 34:16

Thanks so much. And folks, we'll see you on our next episode of book of experts TV

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